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Civil Aviation Forum | Is A350-1000 doomed to fail?
Until airbus decides what they want the aircraft to be cable of they arent going to sell it.
Boeing has built an amazing machine and they have experience of building great aircraft, the 707, 727, 737, 747, 757/767, 777.
They are doing things right in engineering and design, their down fall is the board of directors.
What the wingnuts can't accept is that the proposed 777X will still have a metal body. The A35J will be mostly composite. The per-seat weight will be lower and that will give the A35J an advantage. Where the problems lie are mostly in the engines.
Airbus originally specified the A35J with a throttle-push version of the Trent XWB identical to that of the A358 and A359. Since then the A35J has grown in weight and a new variant of Trent is being developed which has a larger core and can handle the thrust requirements. So instead of one engine powering all versions (A358 with a derate, A359 the baseline and A35J with that throttle-push) the airlines ordering a mixture of versions now might end up with two lots of engines and two lots of costs.
To accommodate this new design the in-service date has been delayed and the airlines don't all like the changes and delays.
Screw Boeing. All they want to do is warm over their design and give it plastic wings and new engines. It will, however, still be a bit bigger than the A35J and might have a range advantage but at a much higher fuel burn average than the Airbus.
As I see it, the only areas with real progress at Boeing have been the wing design and engines. But then many of the wing designers comes from Long Beach and MDC, and for the engines we have even one manufacturer from Derby in the forefront.
Of those four customers, Qatar and Emirates are responsible for 40 (60%). Etihad has reduced its order from 25 down to just 12 and Asiana has 10 on order. The two biggest customers, Qatar & Emirates are both very unhappy and claim Airbus redesigned the -1000 without even consulting them about it.
I'm just worried that Airbus doesn't know what the A350-1000 should be and have made a mess of it. If they are forced to redesign it again, that's even longer to wait.
Boeing must be laughing at them.
Airbus are saying over and over that the problem isn't the plane. It's slots. Airlines want them fast and so far there have been hardly any cancellations (compared to the 7LATE7 it's practically none!). The bulk of orders are pushing the first available slots well to the right and airlines don't want to be ordering so far into the future. Keeping the A330 FAL going also means that a new facility at Toulouse has had to be developed out of the former A300 plant IIRC, and maybe a second line is going to be needed.
The above does not fit the airliners.net fanboy agenda so you will rarely hear it. It is the success of the A350-900 that is the issue. Boeing can't even get one version delivered in bulk, never mind the three Airbus are selling actively.
There was also a Trent 8104 which also never went into production, however the XWB version will be cleaner and much more efficient thanks to loads of new technology from Advance3 going into the engine. The Trent 800 was a 1990s design, and the XWB is very much a second decade engine. The A35J could end up being a very hard act to beat.
"Cancellation of 13 A350-1000 orders was "timing issue," Hogan said in a telephone interview today. Hogan said he is satisfied with the aircraft, the biggest variant of the A350 family of airliners. "
Got to remember that we're talking deliveries in 2017/2018 so it's pointless ordering them now if you need lift before then.
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The problem is an Airbus FAL that is booked solid. Should IAG come in with a big order for BA and Iberia then it'll change the discussion completely. BA need to start considering replacing their early GE model 777s before much longer and the slots are becoming hard to get. The 773ER is only a stopgap on short leases or bought at a discount (hence the 6N models in the fleet instead of all 36 variants). Iberia likewise have the A346 to roll over.
Still wanna go on it though
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