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The old thread was getting a bit too long.

To kick things off...

Two Etihad B773 due around 17.00 with a total of nearly 800 PAX. Could be a bit busy in the arrivals hall.
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A bit more news on the above.

It seems that this mornings EY15 (A6-ETG) departed Abu Dhabi, reached the top of the Gulf and then turned around to land at Bahrain. Presumably a tec fault.

It looks like the aircraft was replaced with A6-ETG which departed Bahrain some hours later and arrived at Manchester a few minutes ago.

EY21 (A6-ETI) followed around 40 minutes later.
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Bit quiet on here these days??? Anyway seeing nobody has mentioned this I'll do it Emirates are upgrading EK21/22 to an A380 on the 14th to the 29th of October just for the second half of October only but are still triple daily A380 from 1st January 2017.

Also I wonder if EK will announce the 4th daily flight on the day they announce that they've hit the 1million passengers mark and what makes it interesting is that they have dropped plans to launch the 4th daily Gatwick flight which was due to be launched on the 1st October.
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Does anyone know if Air China are still planning to launch shanghai anytime soon wasn't it supposed to be a October launch date.
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Thomascook news...

As I have previous reported Thomasccok Uk are taking 3 B757-300 from Condor this will now be 4 with D-ABOI making the transfer to the UK register, this will replace G-TCCB and G-DAJC which will transfer to Condor as normal for the winter then return next April for checks before transferring to the German register for operations with Condor till lease hand back which is planned for winter 2018...registrations to be confirmed.
G-TCCA will be withdrawn from operations at the end of October and returned to the lessor in January after maintenance
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Quote Quoting 33100, from a previous post

this will replace G-TCCB and G-DAJC which will transfer to Condor as normal for the winter then return next April for checks before transferring to the German register for operations with Condor till lease hand back which is planned for winter 2018...registrations to be confirmed.

Would this mean they will be doing longhaul ops for Condor? And if so will they need a cabin refit as they are full economy if I'm not wrong for the European short haul ops from MAN. Or are Condor moving to some short haul widebody ops as well as these are replacing B753's
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Thomas Cook Summer 2016 changed again. MAN now used for the W pattern LTN flights. Plus a lot of reductions short haul than was originally planned. Plus Holguin/Cayo Coco both gone for Summer 2016.

Condor will only operate 1 flight a week and thats the Burgas Friday flight as this year. The other ones like Zante etc now all have Thomas Cook flight numbers.
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Rumours that the Fenerbache team bus, TC-YAG E195, that arrived on 19th may have been impounded.

It's still parked up between T2 and freight.

Anyone got any further info?
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Thomascook to fly Manchester %u2013 Mauritius route, from 15NOV17. Airbus A330-200 aircraft
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Article in the MEN. Not particularly informative, but there are some nice pictures inside the Thomas Cook Hangar:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/fascinating-pictures-show-inside-aircraft-12156394#ICID=sharebar_twitter
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Oman air that is due to start next May has now changed to an A330 from the B787
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Hi folks

Reported elsewhere that Singapore are changing Manchester ops from the B773 to the A359 likely date being January 2017 as first class cabin isn't available from that date. A359 is Business and economy.

Cheers from Jim
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Also reported elsewhere Etihad using Dreamliner's on the PM flight during Feb.
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Also reported elsewhere rumour only though Scoot are looking at SIN-INDIA-MAN will operate along with SQ if turns out to operate
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Another elsewhere Iraqi Airways starting 10/12 Sat only arr 1930 dep 2100 A320.
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Hearing that DY are to announce NYC and FLL. Anyone heard anything?
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Further info on Iraqi;

Sulaimaniyah - Malmo - MAN - Salaimaniyah

IAW265 19:30/IAW266 21:00
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Iraqi A320 just landed operated by YI-ARD
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United not returning next year with Washington flight
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Cathay go 5 days a week from 2nd June 2017 with A350
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Quote Quoting jimsdad, from a previous post

Hi folks

Reported elsewhere that Singapore are changing Manchester ops from the B773 to the A359 likely date being January 2017 as first class cabin isn't available from that date. A359 is Business and economy.

Cheers from Jim


Singapore website bookings now confirm from Jan 17th.
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Do we know yet what Thomas Cook's fleet plans are for MAN next summer. Current schedules have been updated to include a lot more Turkish flights and some new W pattern flights with an extra based Avion Express. Looks to be 3 A320, 2 A321, 2/3 753 for short haul? And no Condor flights

Does anyone have any further info?
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RAM Casablanca B738 Tu/Th/Sa from 28 March, 1600/1700.
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No condor flights, there will be 4 B753's transfer across from Condor to Thomas Cook to become G- reg aircraft
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Vueling add Amsterdam Manchester 6 days a week arr Man 1850hrs from 26th March
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Thomascook flying Man - Capetown SA from 10th January 2018
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Cathay Pacific are reducing flights to 3 per week in May with a mixture of Monday and Tuesday flights being canx
They are sending passengers down to LHR
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Mixture of Monday and Tuesday flights CANX




CANX flights are :-




Mon 1/5/17

Tues 9/5/17

Tues 16/5/17

Mon 22/5/17

Mon 29/5/17 that was my flight booked




Passengers are being sent to LHR , going to be one angry phone call tomorrow to Cathay
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Don't blame you SQ-380, that must be quite annoying. Especially finding out today when BA themselves are cancelling LHR shuttles due to their cabin crew dispute !!

If it's any consolation CX are also cancelling some LHR rotations. Let's hope they haven't re-booked you on one of those !!
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Yeah the annoying thing with Cathay is that I'm onward to DPS (Bali) I had alternative flights cheaper with QR or EK but these had a longer connection in DOH or DXB so paid the extra for better flight changes in HKG now its even longer and the second connection at the dreaded LHR would never even had considered two connection flight. and just to rub it in was originally coming back on 13/6/17 but this flight had been blocked over the new year when booked the flights so already cut the trip down by 24hrs and guess what this flight is now bookable
will post what cathay come up with, but to de honest if the flight is cancelled theres not a lot other than sending via LHR or CDG , there's no other way on a code share flight, so AMS ZRH FRA are out
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Quote Quoting SQ-380, from a previous post

will post what cathay come up with


Thanks, be really interested to see what they come up with/reason for the change.

For me the mark of a company is how they treat customers when things don't go well.
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Thats pretty poor from Cathay.

Possibly due to either very poor forward bookings or lack of aircraft due to maintenance.

No doubt they will offer you some air miles as compensation but as EmmasDad says, it will be interesting.
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Strikes me that this is in the month before the A350 takes over the service. Could be to do with re-rostering of the 777 fleet. A bit early to cancel due to booking levels.
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Cathay did the same thing in May last year with frequency reductions across various routes, although last May MAN had only 3 services cut.
Many folk book their longhaul trips a long way ahead and tie them in with accommodation, car hire, side trips, etc.If May is an annual "soft" month for travel to HKG you'd think CX could plan it accordingly, rather than put the full schedule out there knowing they're going to cancel some flights later.
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Just called Cathay Pacific probably not the best time to call being a Sunday, basically they apologise and offered to change both outward and return flights to other dates so to keep on direct MAN-HKG , so I decided to change to go 2 days earlier on the Saturday and keep the return flights as they were, now I do remember the Saturday flights being more expensive however because its cathays fault with canx flight on the Monday they will just move you at no additional expense, however the HKG to DPS doesn't have any seats available at the same price class, they need to get authorisation on Monday but said that will not be a issue, just that its a different department and they are closed on Sunday.
With regards to compensation the call centre/reservation people carn't do anything other than tell you to e-mail complaint via link on there website, so will leave that until tomorrow once I have confirmation of flights.
Will update outcome
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Thanks again, looks like in the end it didn't turn out too bad if you end up getting the more expensive Saturday flight for no extra.
Fingers crossed for DPS leg to come through for you.
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To be honest what Cathay Pacific offered was the minimum I expected , yes all was easy and straight forward and were very apologetic they offered me alternative dates straight away without me asking, however it's Cathay that should be offering alternatives regardless of any price difference, it was Cathay that cancelled the flight and its there duty to rebook you on alternative flights that is suitable to the customer.
Yes in theory I'm getting a flight that is advertised at the higher price, but that's no difference to Cathay they still have to rebook you at there expense, and the shuttle to LHR and then on a LHR-HKG flight would probably be less profitable for Cathay.
Though they have changed my flight without any fuss and rebooked me on a flight that I was happy with, I will still have the additional expense of booking a hotel for 4 people for 2 nights which will be around £200 in total, I did mention this a little and response was ticketing staff can't look into compensation, you need to complain via link on there website, well that I will do tomorrow and lets see what that produces
will post outcome
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Saudia start Riyadh %u2013 Manchester nonstop flight. Operating on seasonal basis from 23JUN17 to 08SEP17, Boeing 787-9 aircraft will serve this route twice a week
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BA Cityflyer add 1 weekly LCY/AGP/NCE/ALC/PMI/JMK and 3 weekly IBZ. Flights are on E190.

From May 18th.
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Some pax figures from Saturdays Iraqi flight.

In - 148
Out - 162.
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Thomascook Fleet update:

G-VYGM Air Tanker A330 will be joining the fleet in the spring.... with a possible third on the cards
G-JMOE Will be operating out of LGW from early next week ex D-ABOE B757-300

3 X A320 will be based for the summer LY-VEG, LY-VEH & LY-VEL


Jet 2 also taking A330 from Air Tanker this summer
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Thanks 33100 for the update regarding Thomas Cook. However 2 of the Avion will be an A321. Seatmaps indicate they will be A321

D-ABOI will be MAN based from March onwards and then followed by G-JMAA/G-JMAB for the summer as the current schedule for peak summer requires 3 753
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D-ABOI transfer has been cancelled and will not be joining the Uk fleet as for the Avion aircraft it will be an all A320 operation at this time, No decision has yet been made who the two remaining B767s will fly for which also puts in doubt the remaining B757-300s transferring to the Uk register.
I accept this can be subject to change but is the latest from the meeting held this week, Wednesday next week it will all become clearer
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DAL 06-23 April using B777LR on the Atlanta service days 5-7.
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Any update regarding TCX fleet plans for MAN? They have recently cut a few flights from the original summer schedule suggesting short of aircraft?
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G-JMOF ex D-ABOF will be joining the fleet next week out of LGW.

Two B767 DAJC & TCCB, no decision has been made who they will be fly for Condor or TC Uk

The all A320 operation has now changed to two A321 LY-VEG & LY-VEH
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Thanks for the update 33100.

So potentially 1 A320, 3 TC A321, 2 Avion A321 and 3/4 757 for MAN?
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And 6 A330's I believe.
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Incident taking place right now at Man.

Easyjet G-EZTV to Copenhagen was pushing back when the tow hitch seemed to break The tow truck then ran into the aircraft partially lifting it. Many emergency services now on scene.

PAX are now disembarking from the rear.
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Thomascook UK will fly Ten A330's this summer.

G-VYGK Glasgow/Stansted
G-VYGM European routes only out of Manchester

The rest will Manchester/Gatwick.
G-MDBD
G-MLJL
G-CHTZ
G-TCXB
G-TCXC
OY-VKF
OY-VKG A330-300
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G-JMOF B757-300 will not be entering service till 15th March

G-DAJC B767-300 Will be leaving Thomascook Mid November This year, no doubt same fate as G-TCCA
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Thanks 33100 for the Thomas Cook update. A lot of A330's there! Are they shown in the schedule currently for 2017? Also some long haul from MAN down as Air Tanker?
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Thats a mighty impressive line up for Man.

Thanks for the info 33100.
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Cathay go 6 days a week from December17 all A350
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Thomascook News: Both UK B767-300 DAJC & TCCB will be flying for Condor this summer and only visiting for maintenance.

G-JMOF will not enter service till 15th March at the earliest due to delay in maintenance
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33100, do you know which routes G-VYGM will be operating short haul from MAN on?
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Is it just the one more 757-300 transferring over from condor? A while back it was suggested it could be up to 4 to cover for the loss of the 767's
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G-JMOG will be joining the fleet in April, the fourth G-JMOI is planned to arrive December this year but I think it will be pushed back till spring 2018
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Hainan Airlines to go five times weekly on Manchester-Beijing route from June also will use mix of B787/A330
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Passenger numbers from yesterdays Iraqi flight.

Inbound - 113
Outbound - 172
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A couple of passenger numbers for two new services starting today.

Virgin to SFO - 222

Royal Air Maroc In - 34 Out - 107
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A couple of passenger numbers from the weekend.

Iraqi. in - 44 out - 165.

The new Virgin Boston service. out - 259 in - 45.

Both flights with a passenger mis balance between incoming and outgoing. I'm sure the Virgin will gradually balance out over the next few weeks but the Iraqi seems a bit stuck.
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Cathay go daily from December all A350 operation
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Quote Quoting Spike, from a previous post

The new Virgin Boston service. out - 259 in - 45.



I appreciate it's not appropriate to give every load on an ongoing basis, but it would be interesting to know how the early flights are doing for both SFO & BOS.

My general observation in T2 this morning was that VS was not as busy for the SFO and second MCO flights as it had been last Friday. However, I was there a little later so more pax may already have checked in. Friday was incredibly busy.
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Todays RAM.

in - 54 out - 155

Off to a good start, outbound anyway!
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Air Arabia Maroc starting 1st October arr 2005 dep 2215, twice weekly Thu/Sun.
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This post was edited on Thursday 6th April, 2017 at 08:50 GMT
Quote Quoting EmmasDad, from a previous post

Air Arabia Maroc starting 1st October arr 2005 dep 2215, twice weekly Thu/Sun.


More great news.

The worry is whether the airport is going to be able to cope at peak times. I hear that security staff are being offered overtime at double rate in the security search area. This is something that rarely happens, so it would suggest that the pressure is already on.

I'll find out when I go through T1, at the peak morning rush, next week.

Time will tell on this issue.
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Good luck with that Spike, we came back two weeks ago today on KL1093 and queues for immigration were nearly at the threshold for 23L.

20 mins waiting to get through for me and the daughter, wifey straight through which makes a change.
I asked why the delay, was told five flights arriving at the same time and they don't have any more staff - only half the desks were in use and they were processing faster than the auto-gates.

Outward security wasn't too bad to be fair but still not as good as AMS, both not a patch on KIX or I imagine many airports out there.
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Hainan from 1 May change from A330 to B787, service goes 5 weekly in June. From 2 July-30 Sept service is daily.
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Went through T1 early AM last week, no problem with security checks etc. Our flight was the 3rd departure, at 6.15, so we were slightly ahead of the main rush.

Overall tho, I was very impressed with the organisation of the security hall. Plenty of staff directing you to the right/shortest queue and all lanes seemed to be open.

Returned this afternoon with a 2 hour EJ delay but no problems at passport control, took about 5 mins max. Good job we were ahead of the Etihad B773 with 412 PAX onboard, which was not too far behind us.

Then the fire shutters dropped down directly in front of us just as we were about to enter the arrivals hall, which was due to a fire alarm going off. After about 15 mins the shutter was opened and we were ushered through an already evacuated T1 arrival hall and out towards the bus station.

Apparently it was all due to an alarm going off in Greggs!
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Gun found on Manchester flight.

https://www.aeroinside.com/item/9433/delta-b763-over-atlantic-on-apr-6th-2017-lavatory-or-armoury?utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=20170422
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A Hainan tweet from a few minutes ago.

Lord Mayor of Manchester preparing for an important announcement for Hainan Airlines.

Could be interesting!
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It's confirmation of daily flights from 17th July.
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PAX figures for the inaugural Oman flight on 1st May.

In - 195
Out - 208

Will post other Oman numbers when I have them tomorrow.
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PAX figures for Oman

2nd May
In - 153
Out - 154

3rd May
In - 99
Out - 133

It would be very hard to follow LF of the first flight, but not a bad start.
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More Oman figures.

4th May.
In -122
Out - 142
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Thanks for the Oman figures Spike. Always interesting to see how an important new route is performing in terms of loads.
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Beat me to it, nice one Spike thanks for putting up the numbers.
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Emirates back to 3x A380 per day and Saudi Riyadh flights now started too.
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I'm hearing rumours about a B707 staging through MAN next week.

Anyone got any details? If it's true.
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Quote Quoting Spike, from a previous post

I'm hearing rumours about a B707 staging through MAN next week.

Anyone got any details? If it's true.


There's a RAF E3 Sentry due in on 29th for paint - if that counts !happy
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Quote Quoting logohu, from a previous post

There's a RAF E3 Sentry due in on 29th for paint - if that counts !


Thanks, Yes, I think you're probably right.
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With MAN getting busier by the day, here are a few figures to emphasise where some of these additional pax are coming from.

Yesterdays inbound Oman had 216 passengers, one of the highest numbers seen recently, and 108 outbound.

Generally the MEB4 have all been a little low recently although this is generally expected in June and is now on the increase.

Transfer pax have jumped by a large % over the last year. Most days there are between 70 and 130 arriving from Ireland and connecting onto the Virgin Orlando flight. Today, for example, there were 125 off the Dublin and 37 off the Cork Aer Lingus flights, connecting onto the Virgin Orlando flight.

This afternoons Aer Lingus ATR from Dublin had 62 PAX, 35 of them are connecting onto tomorrow mornings Orlando and Las Vegas flights, after overnighting here.

Out of 71 pax on the Flybe from Amsterdam 53 were connecting onto TC USA flights.

Expect some high numbers heading back to Ireland after the 4th July celebrations too.
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Thanks for putting that together Spike, normally transfer passengers are going the other way aren't they - particularly to/through AMS, done it myself twice over the last twelve months.

Great to MAN seeing it's own transfer customers.
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Quote Quoting EmmasDad, from a previous post

Great to MAN seeing it's own transfer customers.


It seems that MAN is gradually becoming a hub in it's own right.

Stobarts new service, SEN-MAN 3x daily, should help to develop it further. For anyone in that catchment area MAN's TATL services will become a viable option.

Exciting times for MAN, we are developing a great portfolio of long haul services with a mass of domestic services now helping to support it.
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A couple of pax numbers from today.

Singapore to Houston 226.

Saudi/Jeddah inbound 291 - outbound 38. VERY similar figures yesterday too.
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Thanks Spike

Does that 226 for SIN-IAH include the through pax as well as those getting on at MAN?
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New route for Thomascook from the end of May 2018 MAN- Seattle Twice weekly Thur/Sun A330-200
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Thomas Cook are just getting bigger and bigger and bigger at MAN now aren't they? Not that any of us are complaining! I'd like to see them start CPT, BKK and SYD myself
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I'm ready to book SAN for next year, if they'd like to start that route.

I'm sure there is more to come from them.
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Quote Quoting Spike, from a previous post

I'm ready to book SAN for next year, if they'd like to start that route.


Same here for KIX but I think it unlikely!

Still hoping for CHH to serve KIX...
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Why would Hainan (Chinese) service Kansai / KIX (Japan)????????
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Sorry my mistake for not being clearer, I meant of course from Beijing.
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The Saudi 789 is still at MAN following the tec problems two weeks ago.

Anyone know why?
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This post was edited on Thursday 10th August, 2017 at 15:57 GMT
Thomascook Aircraft changes.

All Thomascook B757-300 will transfer to Condor .

G-JMOF will revert to D-ABOF
G-JMOE will revert to D-ABOE
G-JMOG will revert to D-ABOG
G-JMAA will become D-ABOP
G-JMAB will become D-ABOR

Thomascook UK will become all Airbus operation with the following A321's from Condor

D-AIAF will become G-TCGD
D-AIAG will become G-TCGE
D-AIAC will become G-TCGA
D-AIAH will remain as D-AIAH but fly for UK operations
D-AIAD will become G-TCGB
D-AIAE will become G-TCGC

Will advise on transfer dates

G-DAJC B767-300 will be leaving the fleet from November and G-TCCB will be leaving the fleet in the New Year
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Thanks for that 33100.

Commonality in each fleet makes sense I suppose.
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Yep thanks 33100.
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Thomascook Aircraft changes.

All Thomascook B757-300 will transfer to Condor .

G-JMOF will revert to D-ABOF 21/01/18
G-JMOE will revert to D-ABOE 02/01/18
G-JMOG will revert to D-ABOG 20/11/17
G-JMAA will become D-ABOP 01/03/18
G-JMAB will become D-ABOR 27/03/18

Thomascook UK will become all Airbus operation with the following A321's from Condor

D-AIAF will become G-TCGD 02/01/18
D-AIAG will become G-TCGE 12/01/18
D-AIAC will become G-TCGA 23/01/18
D-AIAH will become G-TCGF 04/03/18
D-AIAD will become G-TCGB 07/04/18
D-AIAE will become G-TCGC 10/04/18
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Air Berlin filed for bankruptcy, ETD not prepared to put in any more cash.

German Govt providing a bridging loan.
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Air Livery Southend hangar damaged by fire. Depending on circumstances we may get more work here at Manchester.
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Quote Quoting EmmasDad, from a previous post

Air Livery Southend hangar damaged by fire. Depending on circumstances we may get more work here at Manchester.


Interesting, I wonder if there is any spare capacity at MAN as it seems to be one out, one in, almost immediately. It would be nice to think that we might get an extra couple for paint tho.
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Thomascook News

OY-VKG A330-300 will joining the UK fleet from 2018 and will carry the reg:G-TCXD
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Thanks 33100, managed to see it a couple of weeks ago at MAN, thought it odd at the time as it isn't a normal visitor here.

From 24th March American back on B787 to ORD.
They are going to stop JFK route though.
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It looks like the Oman flights have picked up quite nicely with over 200 pax each way on a regular basis now.
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Thomas Cook have been using FiFly A340 Malta 9H-TQM on the Caribbean run for a few days now.
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VS11 B789 G-VZIG dropped into Man at tea time while en route LHR-BOS. It apparently had one inbound pax.

Our JFK service VS127 had been delayed, but departed at 19.26, following the arrival of VS11.

VS11B then departed to BOS at 19.41.

Reading between the line, it would seem likely that VS11 dropped in to MAN with a Pilot or 1st Officer to operate our JFK service.

Anyone able to confirm or otherwise?
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Thanks Spike, that's what I've read elsewhere, dropped off pilot.
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Hi folks

After last nights diversion of the EK A380 to Birmingham due hole in runway ( it's catching we've got one on staff east car park as well!! ) I'm not aware but did it return to Manchester eventually otherwise it would have needed an awful lot of buses between here and Brum!!

If it did does it qualify for the shortest commercial flight of the A380?

Cheers from Jim
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Quote Quoting 33100, from a previous post

OY-VKG A330-300 will joining the UK fleet from 2018 and will carry the reg:G-TCXD


Any particular reason they've gone for a 300, with them having all 200's at the minute? Demand on particular routes needing extra capacity?
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Thomascook News...

Change of plan OY-VKF A330-200 will become G-TCXD from 18th October 2017

OY-VKG will remain as OY-VKG

G-TCCB B767-300 has been sold as seen and will leave the fleet around 7th November 2017
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Thomascook update:

OO-TCW A320 will transfer to the UK and will become G-TCAE and will be based in the Majorca next summer operating Thomascook's new airline

OY-VKF A330-200 will NOT be taking up it's UK Reg G-TCXD
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